I've created a monster, cause nobody wants to see Marshall no more they want Shady, I'm chopped liver (huh?) what am I saying? Oh yeah, I've created a monster!
This template has every vehicle in the game (unless I missed some, which is quite possible) within its borders! This is my pseudo-fix for the ever increasing size of See Also. Now, I know that the size of this monster is huge (bigger than the See Also sections were getting), but the table is versatile as hell and can be completely collapsed if we choose on the pages you put them on. It's completely customized in the fact that you simply enter the pack the vehicle is in (for big packs, like Cops and Robbers, specify the make as well).
Here's a few examples:
{{Vehicle nav|<bikes>}} ;loads up the navigation box with the Bikes section open, all others collapsed
{{Vehicle nav|<bsi>}} ; loads up the nav with BSI vehicles only
{{Vehicle nav|<original>|<carson>}} ; shows the nav box with the original vehicles by Carson (Burning Route versions included)
The colors I think are perfect for it, but can be changed. Questions? Comments? I want to attempt to implement this within the week depending on feedback. Please no one edit the template during this time.
Obviously I still have a bug or two, but I am exhausted, I will work them out in the morning. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 07:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Rappy you are actually awesome! I give you a pat on the back for that, because this is the kind of stuff we need more. Usually though, the more amazingly useful something is on this site, the more epically hard it is to engineer and code. Great job though! As for comments, I'm just thinking about style here, as i always do because I'm way to pedantic with minor OCD! I reckon (i can never spell that word) we need a thin black border around all the boxes. Also could we have a light orange gold kinda color on the sub-sub-boxes, which display all the car names and have the logos. Because of this i think the links need to be black. Then the sub-boxes need to be orange and then the top title box needs to be a dark orange. So all in all it looks like a solid gradient of the site logo from dark orange to light orangery/gold. If this could be done, or at least tried so we can compare the two, then you'll be even more a legend than you already are. I mean, as always with me, this could be expanded to all the different games, maybe one for every vehicle in the burnout series, with loads of sub-boxes, maybe one for roads, or tracks for the older games. Maybe even one for absolutely everything. The grandmother of all navigation tables in existence!!! The possibilities are endless. But for now, take my style comments into account and we'll see whether it looks as good visually as it does in my head! Thanks man, you're safe, TH3_P4RK5T3RT4LK_P4G3F0UND37'5_8L0GC0NTR1BUT10N5Burnopedia Admin 11:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Unlike Parkster, I think the colors are perfect. They fit with the color scheme of the site without being completely derivative. Also, I think it should be a Paradise vehicle-only box. In the future, perhaps new ones could be created for vehicles from other Burnout games, etc. However, like Parkster, I think it is epic and should be implemented on every Paradise vehicle page asap. ExlonoxtalkBurnopedia Admin14:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree that this is some very epic work. I did like it better though when it was gray, it's much easier on the eyes. KoenigseggCCXRBurnopedia Admin16:43, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
The part that lists original vehicles and other types, I think the text was white too. The current one looks less like a light orange, and more like a peach color. It's kind of ugly to me. KoenigseggCCXRBurnopedia Admin17:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, the orange is Burnopedia's default nav box color as well as main theme color. The grey is the normal color for other tables on the site. When I tried mixing the orange and grey, it looked god-awful ugly. I like the #FFDEAD color for the manufactures, but I am willing to try a color set that is complibable if you have one that you think would look good. The 'peach' color I used it a good median between the orange (#EC5800) and the beige (#FFDEAD). Like I said, I am open for ideas. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 18:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay then, how/where do I search for precise color shades like #EC5800? KoenigseggCCXRBurnopedia Admin18:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Great plan Rappy. Im loving the nav box. Smudger13talk 21:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I love this Infobox quite a lot, however I personally don't feel like it completely solves the problem of the See Also sections because you still have to dig through each section to find a related car (and even then it might not be in a Paradise game like with the Custom Coupe Ultimate). I think that for particularly huge See All lists (see: GT Concept series), there could be a special table just for that particular set of cars, while smaller collections can stick to small lists. KBABZ 21:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I think it should be company and then model, not car set and then company. Right now for example, for the GTs we would need to open Original, Legendary, Toys, Cops, and Island on the page, but if we just had a GT category, only one thing would be open. Then somewhere in there it would say what set they were from, like next to the name or something.Babadingldoo 22:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I tried a few different schemes for the template, but my inexperience with all of the different adjustments left me with nothing very good. All I can say is the Nav box would look a lot better with a mix of silver, gray, and white shades instead of orange & beige. I know we're trying to stick to the orange theme, but it really doesn't need to be included in everything on the wiki. KoenigseggCCXRBurnopedia Admin22:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree Konig, and given a better suggestion for colors... I'd have no problem changing as long as more people are for it than they are for this color palate.
@Babadingldoo... I see your point, and based on what KBABZ said and working out a way to integrate See Also into it as well (which also fixes your 'problem', but makes the table one more header bigger) I hope to have a new version out this evening.
@Konig, if you wish, I can change it now so that you can reference color1= color2= and color3= into the template... so you can easily reference it and preview like {{Vehicle nav|original|hunter|color1=#EC5800|color2=silver|color3=silver}} Leave a response here if favorable, and I will do that first. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 22:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the non-bold text better, there's something else I noticed though. See Also and Vehicle Listings are not lined up with the rest of the text. KoenigseggCCXRBurnopedia Admin23:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
That's because the [show] on the right side alters the center formatting. I don't think there's much you can do about that. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 23:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I didn't really work on each one for that long, but it's just to give you something to work with. I was thinking if the orange text in each manufacturer box wasn't acceptable, they would decent in white. The same thing goes for the vehicle listings in the first template. KoenigseggCCXRBurnopedia Admin03:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Adding a header to edit down here quicker. I actually like the second one, but I'd need to make it so that the other drop downs aren't transparent background if I were to use it. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 03:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't suppose a Carbon Section could be included? Maybe and Other category so that Sponsored and Unreleased cars could be included? KBABZ 04:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Carbons are in there... Sponsor cars I am debating where they go... Rai Jin and Olympus aren't in there either yet. Un-released can be added as need be... —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 04:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I do realize that the Carbon cars are in there, but I think they're a bit more unique than the Original cars. However making a new section for four cars is a bit silly, which is why I suggested including them with Sponsor Cars and Unreleased Cars (and now Online Only Cars too). However by Unreleased I meant the Sponsor Cars that were never given an unlock code, and that weird mirror ball vehicle as well. Perhaps it'd be more appropriate to name the section as Special? KBABZ 06:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
To fix the fact that the Main-heading and sub-heading are not in-line, cant we just have a show/hide for the main header. This would be useful for viewing purposes also (Ive seen it done on Wikipedia) Smudger13talk 16:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Rappy could you do another version, just to see if it looks good, of mock-up 1, but with black borders all around, on every box. If not on every box then at least the main border around the whole thing. Thanks, TH3_P4RK5T3RT4LK_P4G3F0UND37'5_8L0GC0NTR1BUT10N5Burnopedia Admin 14:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes I can. Template now has full support for border customization too. (may be deleted when I finalize it, I dunno...) I think the borders are a little harsh. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 18:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
The template is changed now. I think it looks really good with or without the borders. Comments please. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 04:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm still set on border mock-up one. it matches the rest of the infoboxes and templates of the site. However when you show the first set of "whatever you call its" the color is very similar to the background. If this color was changed to be a tad lighter then it would look amazing. Thanks, TH3_P4RK5T3RT4LK_P4G3F0UND37'5_8L0GC0NTR1BUT10N5Burnopedia Admin
I like the first one because I still think it is easier on the eyes, and has cleaner cuts if you know what I mean. KoenigseggCCXRBurnopedia Admin20:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree, the borders add a little eye-strain. I like both of the ones directly above as far as colors go. Although I tend to lean towards the one with the silver heading. I know it doesn't match the other nav boxes on the site, but honestly, I don't think it has to. I mean, this is like no other nav box on the site. =p —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 20:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I like the orange, I think it'd be better if it stood out more. Also, (I'm not sure if this is my browser/computer being screwy or coding problem) it seems like the main show/hide button on all of them is not working. It'd be good if it could be addressed before the infobox is put into use. third note, i have a bot that could put this all where it needs to go quickly if need be. THEDUDEMANDude...Totally 21:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the main show/hide doesn't work. Someone else added it and I haven't fixed it yet. I have a bot as well and it wouldn't take more than 5 mins to implement. I am just not sure if it's really needed now that the Template:Vehicle infobox supports the box at the bottom. Looking at User:Rappy/Sandbox2 you can see how big it would be if placed on a page. As usual, we need more comments/suggestions about it. I still sit and wait. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 22:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
If the Original category was, instead of being divided by manufacturers, divided into original, burning route, and carbon categories, the box might become less unwieldy (more wieldy?). Also, if the somewhat significant margins on the left and right of the vehicle listings were all but eliminated, that would definitely help. Similar changes could be made to the Cops and Robbers section of the infobox. Thoughts? ExlonoxtalkBurnopedia Admin00:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Rappy, I really like this project and want to get it up-and-running by Burnopedia's birthday. What needs to be done to make this happen? Exlonox posted this at 17:23, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Hell, I don't even remember the consensus on this anymore. I know there was changes wanting to be made. Summarize them for me here, and I will see what I can do. —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 17:32, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
So, you want this on every Paradise City car article? Have you tested whether it works on articles already? If it does then shouldn't this be done by now? Or is it some super complicated coding that needs to be done before it can be put on an article. All that, I think needs to be made clear before we move on otherwise I think it will end up being even more confusing. Posted @: 17:54, December 28, 2009 (UTC).
@Speed Rappy can add these to all the Paradise car articles in 5 minutes using a bot. @Rappy The main show/hide button doesn't work. The nav lacks a "Special" section to include online cars, carbon cars, sponsor cars, undrivable cars, etc. Also, it has been proposed to divide this by manufacturer instead of car type. However, this was before the add-on to the vehicle infobox. Exlonox posted this at 18:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@ Speed... That was the original idea before I changed {{Vehicle infobox}} to support the variants at the bottom. My sandbox still shows an example of it on a page. This will be quite easy to implement, but I think there was still a toss-up on the formatting. It's big an bulky, and some users wanted a change in how the vehicles were listed (IE.. by manufacture instead of by car packs, etc) —RappytalkBurnopedia Admin • 18:04, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Ok, IMO it's fine and should have been put into articles a long time ago, those members who wanted it to be presented differently in various ways where are they now? Surely if they wanted it to change they should still be discussing it right now. Sometimes we can't suit everyone's needs we just have to go with what we've got. It's no use constantly changing something just because one user doesn't like it.
Now about the main show/hide button not working, if Rappy can not find anything that's halting it from doing what it's supposed to do then I think we have to leave it. It would be classed as a fault in how the wiki interprets the coding and not a fault caused by Rappy.
Ok, with the "Special Section", I'm sure Rappy will add that, so it's not a problem that we need to discuss any further, really. And again just carry on with the same format don't make it a confusing thing to work as it really should be simple.
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